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When I think of Jeza, I think of his song "How Can I
Help You" because Jeza always seems to be open and available to
help people. Full of experience and advice, Jeza is a
renaissance man, indie music success story, painter, information resource
and friend to many.
I first ran across Jeza in a list of people wanting songs
reviewed. I knew as soon as the song started that it was
going to be a good one. Little did I know when I submitted
the review that Jeza would write me back almost immediately and
we'd become friends. Look for the new CD coming out soon,
Jeza's first CD, Wined Up leaves big shoes to fill and from all
indications, Man in the Mirror will fill them with no problems.
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Type Jeza into any search engine and you get so many
hits that it's more than obvious that you are an internet
presence to be reckoned with. What's the story
behind that?
I think search engine placement is one of life's "black arts", like "compression",
"quabala" or "alchemy". Takes
years of study and understanding to turn gold into coal
dust...There's a lot to be said for good "metatags"
in your web pages before submitting them to search
engines. Though you'll get a lot of web hits on my
name, they are not always the results I would like to
see come up. Many out-of-date links like Javamusic
and Ampcast still coming up, I even find sites I didn't
know or long since forgot about, where preferred sites
like Besonic or Fap are not on top of the listing, so I
still need a lot of work on refining the process.
Some of my best results come from the festival photos at
the website and my 70's heritage in general. I
learned my craft back then and listened mostly to acts
from that era. The Beatles, Stones, TRex, Terry
Reid, Traffic, CSNY all rubbed off on my
"style" of music. With that in mind I
found a neat
tool online to test popular search phrases. I
discovered there that the phrase "1970s Music"
was a safer bet than "Free MP3s" so I
submitted my '70s Music Festival Photos as a
website...now I get listed at AskJeeves higher than ABBA
or the Eagles with a high percentage of anonymous web hits
from that very search phrase. So
effectively somebody searching for music from that era
is likely to come up with Jezaland, and hopefully, dig
my kind of music as well...Those photos also link to and
from a "Festival Archives" website based in
Australia where my pix are a featured link so that
actually pushes a high percentage of traffic to Jezaland
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How did you start with OMDs and who was the first?
The
first OMD I joined in 1999 was called PeopleSound, based
in UK. I don't think my page is active there any
more. They started out with a few million squid as
venture capitol, huge media splash with full page
magazine ads and billboards etc. So full of
themselves...as an inventive to the earliest artists to
join up they actually gave everybody a cheque for
100pounds as "advance payment" on CD
sales...but provided one of the worst possible excuses
for an OMD. 2/3 of the page was banners and ads
for the website itself, leaving a tiny corner for the
artists page. No forum, no cross promotion, no
central listing, almost impossible to chart or even
track down an artist using the search engine.
Promo was purely about handing out cards at gigs...They
also dolled out 25pounds for recruiting other
artists. So I recruited a couple of mates for
another 50pound cheque, made them 100pounds each too and
we laughed all the way over to MP3.com. They are
part of the "vitaminic" group now, but they're
all pretty ineffective sites for promotion.
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OMDs sure came a long way before they went
away. Too bad they didn't stick around a more.
Who was/is the best one for you?
Today
my favoured site is Besonic
in Europe, I see a lot of genuine listener traffic there
from many different countries, and consistently have a
top-level cross-genre chart presence. But
surprisingly few direct CD sales. Though I'm also
sprucing up at ArtistLaunch where I'll be launching the
new album soon as an "on-demand"
product. Though it leaves a bitter taste in my
mouth, MP3.com "was" the best site around for
quite some time and pretty lucrative for a while.
Especially the early days of FAP with Neal Bond at the
helm. I was head-hunted into FreeAudioPlayers within a
week or two of joining the website in 1999, when
suddenly I'm "in" with this awesome bunch of
shameless self-promoters at a very early stage. A dazed
and confused newbie with a cool album up my sleeve.
Similarly EVOR (Elite Veterans of Rock) are a group of
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What is your opinion of OMDs these days?
Are they still valid or are they like LPs, nice
if you've still got the need and can take the drawbacks,
but not a necessity?
Online Music Distributors. I think we've all
been let down by quite a few of these websites over the
past year or so without naming any names, and the only
ones that will survive are now charging for the service
so we as artists have to be more picky. I went
through a period loading one or two mp3s here there and
everywhere, but it's impossible to maintain and promote
them all, so these days I tend to be a bit more
selective and concentrate in specific arenas where I see
an interest being shown. The collective sites are
still necessary, because that's where the
"fans" are supposed to go to find us, like
record stores which sell your products, but I place more
importance on my home website as a central point for up
to date info and links. There's always a link to Jezaland.
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You obviously have spent a lot of time setting up
sites on OMDs and on your own website. What do you
think the general opinion of other indie bands is about
internet presence and OMDs?
I can't possibly speak for others opinions, but if
I'm setting up a new page seriously for promotion, I
will spend a day or two revisiting, making sure I've
used as many features as I can and presented a page with
some visual impact. I see a lot of artist pages
with very little info or care taken over
presentation. You don't have to be an expert to
add interest and make a page appealing. Personally
I place a high importance on maintaining and monitoring
my home web site. The OMD page is all important
too but I would emphasize finding ways to promote
off-site, that are non OMD affiliated.
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You are a reviewer for Besonic I know. Do you see
any new trends in bands or indies from that?
Collaborations and cross promotion. It's a
uniquely internet, indie based phenomena and I'm
possibly a leading exponent of the trend. But you
don't really see it happening in the commercial music
scene, other than at superstar level. The whole
idea of you and me working together on a song, thousands
of miles distant, simply by swapping mp3s and posting
home made cds was not even a possibility even 10 years
ago. Your own work with Anthony Ruocco, and both
of you also contributing to "Man in the
Mirror". Being able to work with people in
different locations, regardless of musical style or
software used is a phenomenal advance and people are
taking advantage. Now we see Matt Claus, a leading
international collaborator of some standing, recently
touring live in Germany, and next year the states,
together with Peggy & Bob Morris from USA, as a
direct result of working distantly via the internet at a
high level. I have much respect for Matt and he
taught me a lot.
Being a scout at Besonic is a nice way to be able to
give something back to the community. I hope that
my many years of experience both on and offline have
given me the privilege to voice an opinion with some
kind of authority and credibility on a major platform
and also to cross-promote other people's work on my
artist page. Hopefully it raises the kudos
level. I made the statement once and I stick by
it. "Being truly indie-pendent means working
together as a team." Think about it...as I
worked with you on "Tower of Babel", so we
start promoting each other with one song, two musicians,
several other artists and several other albums and on
various websites, all benefiting through the
exposure.
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What are your feelings in the download vs. stream
debate of online music? Do you think it a bad idea
to "give it away" in downloads, or are you
confident that the quality differences between a download
and a real CD are enough to entice people to buy?
I have more or less phased out free downloads at
Besonic on the new album. I see from the stats that
the majority of visitors stream the music and very few
downloads. I'd rather give out a taste of what's on
offer and try to sell cds. Mp3s are only adverts,
the concept of selling mp3s is a real non-starter. I
may even load one minute samples of some songs. It's
sometimes hard to get the point across, hey guys there are
5 songs you can hear on this page in hifi, but there are
12 or 15 of equal quality on the CD itself. If
anything I've lost confidence in the power of the internet
to sell cds. If you figure the average hit rate from
giving out 100 flyers to a gig might be 2%. So let's
say 2% of visitors to IndieLegends.com visit your webpage,
and possibly play one or two songs in lofi. How many
of that 2% drop you an email and how many of those
actually buy a cd. The possibility gets so diluted
without the luxury of saturation airplay on daytime
radio. You have to almost begin again every day on
the web reaching out for individuals and it's so easy to
loose momentum, it can be very daunting building a loyal
online fan base, especially to newcomers on the scene.
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What's more important to you, selling CDs or getting
people to listen to your music?
They are both important and impossible to separate.
People are unlikely to buy a CD unless they heard the
music in the first place. But then somebody either
buys a CD on first listen, or they come back time and
again, praise you to the sky over an extended period and
still don't buy a CD. That's part of the problem
with giving away free mp3s. The internet is very
fragmented. You don't get the packaging, the running
order of songs etc...Obviously having poured so much time,
effort, energy and personal cash into a project like
making a CD, I'd be a fool not to want to sell a few extra
copies. I certainly get the bigger buzz knowing my
CD reached a happy home. Owning a physical CD is the
ultimate appreciation of an artists work.
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Do you buy a lot of CDs? What's in the Jeza CD
player at this moment?
I seem to acquire/swap CDs with other artists more
than I buy them. Having your own CD in our weird
wide indie world is a form of currency. I got
CDBaby to pay me last season in CDs rather than
cash. The latest I got was a World Music sampler
on a magazine cover with about 15 tracks by various
artists, having just visited WOMAD (World of Music Arts
& Dance) festival last weekend. My brother
Lazer the Deejay is more the collector, we recently
raided various artists, having just visited various
friends' CD stashes and upgraded the 70's collection
with stuff like Traffic, Spirit, Temptations, Hendrix
and the like. The latest indie platter I got was
from Luciano Albo, my original kick-butt bass player on
"Wined Up" all the way from Brazil. He's
been working on it since he returned home in 2000.
It's great too, playing all the instruments and
singing. Very Beatley pop rock tunes all sung in
Portuguese haha available through an obscure Brazilian
music website. And Neal Allen sent me a great CD
as well.
For those reading this in the UK you'll find 3 Jeza
tracks from the new CD featured on Computer Shopper
cover mounted CD, Osmosis Music Feature 49, October
issue 190 available from your local newsagent, September
2003!
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When I think of Jeza, I think of music first, but I
also think of art. From what I've seen of your
work, you're an accomplished artist and
photographer. How long have you been painting?
Thanks for saying that. I've been a bit of an
all rounder/renaissance kinda guy as long as I can
remember. I moved up a year in pre-skool 'cause I
could draw well aged 5 or 6. I think there's at
least one of those
to watch in your household...I actually haven't painted
anything for about 10 years. It requires a lot of
space and time to get out all the oil paints, dry rags,
brushes and terps, I did art college as a mature student
aged 30 which was a good experience, though trying to
"be creative" at 9 in the morning wasn't
always conducive to great art, but trying out many
different disciplines from screen printing to typography
to building terrariums in glass, helped me realize I'm
more of a designer than a fine artist so that fueled my
interest in computer graphics. Photoshop
manipulation is a lot less messy and time consuming than
oil painting. I did one or two large canvases but
I was never prolific as a painter. At the end of
the day my music was the thing that drove me most
creatively. I still do "artwork" but I
use different tools.
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What inspires a painting to come from you?
Is the inspiration to paint different from the
inspiration to do music? Do the two ever cross
paths (like are there any examples of a painting that is
also a song etc)?
Yes they are quite different. I'm more of
photo-realistic/copy artist rather than inspirational so
there was usually a photographic image as starting point
but there's often some surrealistic twist like a man's
face in a waterfall or a dolphin in the mountain
valley...with music the process is quite
different. The two have crossed though. With
the song "Chasing After Wind" I did with CM,
based on a Biblical text by King Solomon. I have a
painting of a river running through a mountain pass with
Hebrew lettering formed in the cavern wall. That
text is actually part of the same song lyric in it's
original form. "All the rivers run into the
sea, but the sea is not full", and A generation
passes away, another generation comes, but the earth
(universe) abides forever"...such a loaded
observation. The painting itself I actually began
"on location" at Ein Gedi nature reserve near
the Dead Sea in Israel, a wholly inspiring landscape
itself, and finished off later from a photo. The
song was written around the same time. Mid 1980's.
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"You're the one" - acrylics by Jeza
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"Feeding the dolphin" - oil painting by Jeza
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When you paint do you listen to music?
No, I stuff my ears with the dry rags...For sure,
paintings can take a while to dry.
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As an artist, when you look at paintings or listen
to music, do you think you do it differently than
others?
Probably, and inevitably, when you know technically
what goes into the creation of a piece of art of music
from blank canvas to finished product, you will have a
more informed opinion, possibly even be more critical
than a casual observer who simply "knows what they
like". I probably started writing my own
songs cause what I heard on the radio just wasn't
satisfying and I figured I could do better!! But
then some modern art, or music leaves me cold. I
tend not to follow fashion in general. I often hear
popular music and really wonder what the fuss is
about. But then it took me a while to realize that
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Something I've often considered is whether people who like a
certain type of art also like a certain type of music. Do
you think there is anything to that theory? Like maybe a
fan of Jackson Pollock might also be a fan of industrial music,
or maybe a fan of Remedios Varo might like jazz and that maybe
there are elements in the two art forms that attract a certain
type of mindset. I always notice a lot of tee-shirts and
bumper stickers of things that I like when I go to a concert or
art exhibit that I like, but when I go to something that I don't
like, I notice a lot of tee shirts and bumper stickers of things
that I don't like too. For instance, in an art museum one
time I ran into several people looking at the Picasso section of
the Philadelphia Museum of Art all wearing concert tee shirts of
concerts that I too had seen. Do you think that theory has
any validity? What type of music would you think fans of
your painting would like?
duh.....Jeza music? I don't know if I have any fans of
my art...nobody ever bought the tee shirt of the painting of the
book at cafepress yet. And though I've had offers I never
had the heart to sell a painting. My mum has a couple on
her walls, did you know you can buy my Solomon & Sheba
painting as a wall clock? I'm saving up for one for
myself.
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You are also a web designer, what do you think is important
for a band to have on their webpage? Besides your own,
have you worked on any band's websites?
Enough to raise interest and keep the caller turning
pages. Don't give it all away but enough to entice further
investigation. I can't really hold Jezaland up as an
example of a "music website" per se because there is
so much other related content like the photo and art
galleries...and 18 pages of reviews that nobody reads.
You've gone a similar direction with your journal, photos and
writings. It's more a personal website and artistic
playground for me to try out new ideas and show off old
ones. Doing things you can't do on a standard OMD.
Obviously all that is non-essential to a basic music site though
it all adds interest. But I have tried hard to separate the areas out and at least people surfing in to see the photos
take a while to even discover the music and vice versa, but
hopefully it's a website that visitors will be drawn in to and
want to visit more than once. I haven't worked on any
other band websites, in a way Jezaland is a collection of mini-
website modules, like the Galleries or Indie Ring Topsites. The
turn of a page can involve you in a whole complex sub-section
... but I am working on DJLazer's 'Shamantrix' web site, which
we can't reveal just yet. There's a sneaky ad for it in my
Galleries section (where the galleries from Bud Bennett's
websiteare also linked). One or two business websites that are
doing their job successfully. I'm open to offers. But of course
it is an advantage having the technical skills to build your own
million dollar homepage ... Because I'm Worth it :oD
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Jeza-Wined Up has had great success in terms of
sales and public response, yet it was recorded on a shoestring
and as a grass roots type project. Can you give a quick
synopsis of how that was put together and recorded?
Well the illustrated version 5 page detailed
report is already up on my website, but in short it kinda
represents a lifetime's ambition to make a CD. Which
nobody else was ever going to ask me to make, pay for me to
make, or make for me...so it was a cd that I had to make for my
personal expression and sanity. A labour of love, that
came a hairs breadth from never being made at all, but for the
skill and dedication of bass player Luciano Albo and producer
Basil Brooks for helping .get the project off the ground in
1999. For starters there was no budget, just a pocket full
of tunes, dreams and ambition. The first day of recording
we did 5 tracks with live drums in an engineer's training
college as a guinea pig band...but we had big problems getting
back into the free studio. Basil, whom I've known since
teenage eventually agreed to take on the job as a home recording
project using CoolEditPro, which he was just learning to use,
but we also had the problem of converting the original analog
drums and bass recordings to digital. Luciano recorded the
bass lines for 7 more songs in one marathon one-take-wonder
session, days before flying back to South America. The
rest of the project was taken on within Basil's family home in
rural Surrey, with trains going by on the quarter hour and kids
playing basketball in the garden...so we spent many weekends
fitting in and around each other's schedules, working on top of
Luck's grooves. The whole process was very organic.
I did much of the work in quiet seclusion and called in
musicians I knew as the needs arose. I didn't begin
internet promotions until the physical cd was in my hands.
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With the quality and success of Wined Up in
mind, how do you see the home recording vs. studio recording
debate?
However hard I try and however close I get, you
can never replace a real analog studio recording and a
professional producer but that costs plenty luka. I've had
to acquire many skills beyond playing guitar to get to the final
product and keep costs to a minimum, including designing my own
cover artwork and global promotions online. 85% of the
work is in the production and it's been a steep learning curve
for me after "co-producing" Wined Up with Basil.
We both have years of experience in music, Baz more the
technical side, but there was a lot of ad-libbing along the
way. There's a lot to be said for not paying studio costs,
being able to work in a relaxed environment whenever I have the
free time, not bowing to studio/record label or financial
pressure etc...I hope I've produced something solid, that will
stand up to technical scrutiny and will pass the test of time as
a songwriter. If you have the vision and skills and know
what you're doing, the sky's the limit in what you can produce
on a computer. And I'm surprisingly low-tech here...
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I've always wondered, did you send a copy of
Wined Up to the Queen Mother? You did have a song there in
her honor and all.
Haha, yes she was our official cuddly
mascot. I sent her a special edition with 3 songs on it
for her 99th birthday, including the "Queen Mum"
song of course and "Place by the River". I got a
lovely letter back from her lady in waiting written on Clarence
House headed notepaper thanking me for the
"cassette". One day they'll discover it hidden
in her royal drawers. I considered sending one to Prince
Harry for his birthday a while back but it didn't happen...I'd
love to see his reaction boogying down at the Palace.
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You have a new cd coming up soon for release. Are you
doing anything different with this one than you did with Wined
Up in terms of promotion and sales?
Did I mention that I have a new cd coming up soon for
release? There are a lot of differences. I am firmly
wearing the producers hat now for one thing and I also had to
brush up my bass playing skills, so overall my own input is far
greater. It's also a more personal and introspective
album. With "Wined Up" I went for the greatest
hits approach. This one is less commercial, less poppy and
perhaps more indulgent "album tracks". Most
songs weigh in at 4 and a half to 5 minutes long.
Hopefully a bit more grown up and less tongue in cheek though
there are one or two cheeky moments. And there's a lot
more on it. 67 minutes of music. Including 12 brand
new trax and 3 lovingly restored archive recordings towards the
end. One dating back to 1979, officially the final
offering from A Phantasy Circus with DJLazer on percussion,
produced 24 track by Tom Newman, who also produced "Tubular
Bells" for Mike Oldfield, which made him some cash in the
early 70's. There's also less blurring of genres, with
more attention to detail playing the blues or reggae straight,
through to more contemporary Drum'n'Bass/Worldbeat areas, like
"Darkness" and "Blues Evolution" with strong
emphasis on upfront percussion. There is a much more authentic
dub reggae track on the cd which you won't find
on-line, though I just know it would make a killer
single...hopefully even if you are familiar with what's on-line,
you will still be getting some real surprised on the cd.
Hopefully next year's album will be a retrospective and
nostalgic look at those early years performing as A Phantasy
Circus. The title track Man in the Mirror also comes from
that era, written originally in 1975 in terms of promotion with
"wined Up" I started from scratch, no reputation, no
live band to plug after Luciano returned to Brazil with limited
online experience. Fortunately I was lucky early on, being
invited to join FreeAudioPlayers
and that helped a great deal meeting an established
community of top notch artists and being accepted with open
arms. Reviews have been consistently favourable, DJs loved
it. Reaching the public is always the big nut to
crack. But with this album I have been working on it a
while so the "coming soon" banners on my web pages
have been visible for some while. One day soon the banner
will change to "Available Now", but 4 years on I am
building from an existing reputation. There has been a lot
of interest in individual tracks online recently with several
already hitting number one slots in their given genres at
Besonic, so I'm quietly hopeful of a few sales but remain
uncertain of listeners loyalties or agendas...I have been using
a more personal approach to the promotion too. With
private invites to an exclusive members area at Jezaland to hear
the title track off the cd. I got more hits in one day
than I every would with an OMD release. That was an
interesting experiment. The page is still active if anyone
would like to hear the song.
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I know that you have many guest musicians on your new cd,
Man in the Mirror. How and why did you choose them?
Did you meet any new challenges because some of us are very far
away from you?
I think there are 12 people involved in the project
altogether this time around, including the musicians on archive
recordings and Paul Stewart's photography. In a way it
made life easier cause I've been able to cherry pick from the
best of the bunch of home recorders, without imposing on each
others daily routines. There were some time delays on some
parts but the parts people send me on CD just slot into place
like part of a jigsaw. When it came to picking a banjo
player, of all the indies, on all the OMDs, in all the webpages,
in all the world...YOU DA MAN!! I did a little recruiting
at FAP based on 1st mix demos which brought in yourself, Anthony
Ruocco , Lord Bygon and
CM all from FAP. Lord
Bygon approached me with "Sister J" to redo the
lyrics, and then Jon Solo did the remix so I wasn't as involved
on the production side. From EVOR I recruited the help of
Neal Allen and Roberto
Luz. Neal also approached me first
with his number "Blues Evolution", and that has proved
highly popular to work on, everybody wanted to play a
part. The final mix features contributions from 5
musicians. Then we also did "One Fine Night" in
more of less the same combo which worked out surprisingly well. A storming rocker to end the album. I've
really enjoyed working with Neal. DJLazer, my older
brother joined me from Israel to record the bulk of the
percussion tracks. We've had a musical connection going
back 30 years so that was an exciting reunion. Hunter
Payne, another lapser FAPper came to visit me in London from
California. But the most mind-blowing collab was with
Roberto Luz of EVOR, way out in the Guatemalan rainforest.
The guy's got a satellite dish, runs the hot local sound studio,
and organizes music festivals at the edge of paradise and he's a
Jeza fan. That just blows my mind. Roberto sent me awesome
flute tracks on 4 songs and absolutely raises the thing
to a whole new level musically, as well as the genuine Latin
American vibe. Huge thanks go out to all
involved.
John and Caroline Hoare bless 'em, of local hot rock band The
Haunting AD, have stuck with me throughout both albums and one
or the other of them appear on almost every track. Lead
guitar or female vocals. So those guys and me are the real
core Jeza band. They very much helped shape the sound and we often
do live shows together. Caroline also plays harmonica on
two tracks. I include my brother DJLazer as a core member but it helps
when we're in the same country...
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How do you feel about the quality of cds made on OMDs?
Like I know Ampcast, MP3.com, Besonic and probably many others
too have options where they will make and sell cds from your
submitted files. Personally , I've always wondered about
their quality and consistency. Do you feel that these
properly represent your work with respect to the quality of the
product?
I'm glad you asked me that cause quality is an issue and it's
something I'm seriously taking a look at right now.
Besonic no longer offer any kind of cd program. Ampcast seemed reasonable though I never tested a product for audio
quality. You do lose a significant part of your back cover
artwork though to their template, which lowers the
quality. ArtistLaunch is looking the best bet at the
moment, although their current template falls seriously short,
in not offering either a back cover or on body printing.
Only a 4 page booklet. However, I am talking with Paul
Laginess at the moment and he assures me that the intent over
there is to bring the cd production in house offering those
services very soon. Artwork should be sent directly to
him. So I am working closely with him on the assumption
that the initial offering will be as close as I can get to the
finished product, as an on demand cd available at ArtistLaunch.
I'm still searching for a way to get a short run done at an
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What's the local music scene like in the UK? Have
things changed with it radically in the past few years like they
have here in the US?
In some ways. On my local acoustic circuit many small
open-mic clubs have closed down. There is a frightening
bill slipping through parliament restricting people playing
music in a public place. But a favourite "licensed"
club where I used to play regularly are doing so well now that
they are booked with high quality acts for months in
advance. I'm planning some London gigs for the autumn to
promote the album.
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How much radio airplay do you get, and do you think that
important to an indie artist?
How much more value would one song being played on Japanese
or German radio, even limited coverage pirate radio station be
to you, than one person at a time, hearing one song in lofi form
a hard-to-find web page? It is important and undervalued
by many as promotion. It's hard to say if it's ongoing but
Wined Up was played on 25 or more indie radio stations around
the globe. But ironically never on home turf in the
UK. I had 4 songs played back to back on WKFM in Florida
by the Sandman, daytime airplay in Yugoslavia. The indie
deejay there said it was far too good quality for his
show. Lord Litter in Germany and Eddie Russel in the
states loved it and various points east and west. Worth
the expense of a few freebies but how much my international
royalties amount to is probably negligible. I didn't
receive a cheque back yet anyway. Time will tell.
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